NPR’s Daniel Estrin discusses with Democratic Sen. Jeanne Shaheen.
DANIEL ESTRIN, HOST:
Earlier than final night time’s dramatic operations in Venezuela, which noticed U.S. forces capturing the nation’s president, Nicolas Maduro, and his spouse, President Trump, in addition to members of his cupboard, downplayed speak of regime change. Nonetheless, that very chance dominated the dialog, and for months, U.S. operations in opposition to Venezuela have been escalating with none congressional oversight.
Senator Jeanne Shaheen is a rating member of the Senate International Relations Committee and a senior member of the Senate Armed Providers Committee. She’s a Democrat representing New Hampshire, and she or he joins us now. Good afternoon, Senator.
JEANNE SHAHEEN: Good afternoon.
ESTRIN: We have seen studies of some lawmakers being briefed on the in a single day assault in Venezuela. We additionally heard the president say this morning that he was fearful about Congress leaking it. The query is, have been you briefed? And if that’s the case, have been you knowledgeable of the plans?
SHAHEEN: I used to be not knowledgeable. And my understanding is that nobody else was knowledgeable prematurely, both, each Republican and Democrat. And worse than that, what we’ve heard from the administration in response to direct questions from each Republicans and Democrats for months has been that their intent was not regime change. Now, in fact, these of us who have been watching the area understood that there needed to be some purpose for placing 15,000 U.S. troops within the Caribbean area and the entire firepower that we have been bringing to that area. However the truth that they not solely refused to transient Congress, but in addition didn’t inform us the reality about what the intentions have been, and what the president and others acknowledged on this press convention was that they have been planning this operation for months.
And there isn’t any doubt that the navy behaved brilliantly, however now they’re speaking about nation-building. And the president’s press convention raised extra questions than it answered as a result of he stated that america goes to run the nation of Venezuela, however what we’re listening to from the vice chairman, who he claims has been sworn in now as president, what we’re listening to from the finance minister, what we’re listening to from different quarters, is that there is going to be a battle for management of Venezuela. And there isn’t any assure who’s going to wind up in management there or to what extent the drug cartels are nonetheless going to have a task.
ESTRIN: And because the assault this morning, have you ever or your colleagues been knowledgeable by U.S. officers on what’s subsequent?
SHAHEEN: No. No. And once more, the president was in no way clear in his press convention, as he has not been for months, about what the actual objective is in Venezuela. He talked concerning the effort to ban medicine from coming into america, which I feel all People help. However what they’ve carried out, whereas it is addressed medicine coming in by boat from Venezuela, hasn’t addressed medicine coming in from different areas. And he additionally talked about oil, the necessity to get again oil for america. He talked concerning the actions from criminals who’re – have been being pushed into america by Maduro. However these are all contradictory statements, and he is nonetheless not clear about what the actual motive right here is in Venezuela and the menace that the nation posed to america.
ESTRIN: You recognize, the president additionally spoke about sending U.S. oil firms to Venezuela. Was that ever mentioned? As a result of it appeared off the acknowledged mission of combating drug traffickers and restoring democracy.
SHAHEEN: I’ve not had any conversations with anybody within the oil trade about what they is likely to be prepared to spend money on Venezuela. And once more, simply as with nation-building, we’ve a really blended document when it comes to restoring the oil trade. That was the reason for why the warfare in Iraq wasn’t going to price us something, as a result of they’d such oil reserves, and we all know that that did not develop into true. So whether or not – the extent to which america goes to have the ability to take over the oil reserves of Venezuela, I feel, nonetheless will not be clear. And what we’re seeing already is our adversaries coming to the protection of Maduro and Venezuela, and our allies not taking a agency stand on what the president is doing. So I do not suppose this has contributed to America’s nationwide safety pursuits. And what we’re seeing is Russia and China speaking about persevering with to help the pursuits in Venezuela that they have been supporting for years now.
ESTRIN: Senator, Congress has been frankly unable to cease President Trump within the final a number of months from the entire navy motion that is been taken in opposition to Venezuela, from the lethal strikes on boats to now regime change. Do you suppose there’ll now be sufficient buy-in amongst your colleagues for a Warfare Powers Decision?
SHAHEEN: Properly, I feel that continues to be to be seen. I hope that my colleagues on each side of the aisle will elevate questions on what’s actually happening right here in Venezuela and why we’re – , it is a president who stated he was for America first, and but what he is speaking about is probably one other land warfare in Latin America. So I feel – hopefully we are going to see…
ESTRIN: OK.
SHAHEEN: …Folks be prepared to query the president.
ESTRIN: Senator Jeanne Shaheen, thanks a lot.
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